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trillion in new debt. trillion dollars deficits as far as the eye can see and all he wants to fight for is higher taxes that will fund a mere 8 and a half days of government. frankly nothing but a pathetic disgrace. you the american people deserve a government that lives within its means. you deserve a government that is not obsessed with using your money to accumulate their power. it is time for americans to understand the simple truth of what is going on here. a truth by the way that an abusively biased news media just ignores. joining us now with reaction as america is on the brink republican senators pat toomey and ron johnson. senators, welcome back. >> hi, sean. >> hi, sean. >> sean: let's start with the meeting today. senator toomey, i'm told that the president wassed adamant n the meeting and didn't come off, are the original request was to keep tax rates at the same for the middle class but everybody above $250,000 going up. is that what you heard? >> i haven't heard about specific elements of the conversation, sean, i wasn't in the room. what i do understand from people w
.5 trillion in deficit reduction. i don't know if that will be possible in the next nine days. >> all of this symptomatic of the huge casam in washington. >> we talked to rick warren, the author of the -- of "the purpose driven life," the best seller and we talked about washington and talked about newtown and also christmas in this somewhat bleak season. in terms of washington he said he doesn't think politics will solve anything. it really will have to be solved in people's daily lives in terms of their spiritual awakening. he says that the fixing and the blame is so great here that instead of trying to fix the problem we try to place the blame, and he is certainly right about this whether he is right about his prescription that nothing gets done in this town. and we have seen it in this last month of the fiscal cliff. >> looking forward to seeing that interview and others on fox news sunday. thank you very much. >> thank you, doug. and you can catch the entire exclusive interview right here on fox newschannel. it airs after america's news headquarters. >>> the national debt clock ke
economy two to three, four years. no deal is only shot we have. we need cuts and deal with the deficit. you have can't do this in a way to do in a sudden flash. >> juan -- >> juan: hold on. excuse me. do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding them? and passing prescription drugs, no funding -- >> andrea: last time i checked a majority of democrats voted if for war. >> juan: republicans voted for this as well is all my point. >> andrea: entitlement, they're not miles apart? >> juan: they're not. >> andrea: what is the plan. >> juan: put on the table change the cpi and change the rate of growth. >> what table? >> eric: slow the rate of growth is not a cut. >> juan: it is. >> eric: it's not. >> juan: even boehner says it's a cut. the left thinks it's a cut. secondly, the president has -- go up to 400 if you want. so what we are talking about is a cut for 99% of americans. they keep tax cuts. you think republicans would celebrate. >> drinking the kool-aid. >> eric: i agree with you that the republicans are no better in this debate. >> juan: oh, well th
nothing on entitlement reform, it doesn't come close to reducing the deficit, much less the $16 trillion debt, soon-to-be $18 trillion debt. so i'm not going to vote for a pan sea. i'm not going to go around washington and hope the editorial boards are happy and pat each other on the back. your viewers ought to demand a solution. and what we are going to do in the next week is a deal. and they deserve better than a deal. >> you know what is disconcerting, the millions of americans that can't afford to go on vacation that are worried about their tack pass and finances and how to feed their family and how to write those checks for the bills that they know are coming. and yet then you have members of congress and such going on vacation, even the president himself. we would all like to go to hawaii but honestly it was very upsetting. so many people i talked to over the holidays they are saying what are they doing? they should be sitting there doing the tough work we pay them to do, representing us in their various districts and states. >> the optics are terrible, but here's the reality, kimb
. >> this is a manufactured crisis. we don't have a short-term deficit problem. we have a jobs and growth problem and we have a faltering recovery. we should put off the sequester. put off this grand bargain. come back. let the bush tax cuts expire. make sure the middle class doesn't have to pavement the schif a manufactured media drama. >> laura: wow, can you say out of touch? joining us now from new york is maxwell a democratic strategist and guy benson the political editor for "town hall.com." okay. this is quite something. we have been hearing from the obama white house, the congressional budgetffice and any number of conservative economistst that this is serious. that we have got to get this thing done that we have got to get it in order. or at some point america's full faith and credit is going to go away. we are not going to look so good to the rest of the world as far as credit risk. so let's talk to you about this. is this a manufactured media crisis or does something substantial need to be done here? >> well, i certainly think that the fiscal cliff, that language is a manufactured media narrative.
why haven't they passed a judgment? they aren't serious about our nation's debts and deficits. we are $16 trillion in debt, we are running out of money yet again, trillion dollars deficits every year for the past four years, and get this, we are also borrowing at this moment 46 cents of every dollar they spend in washington. on top of that social security is going bankrupt, as is medicare, and all obama is fighting for is increasing taxes that will only pay for 8 1/2 days of government spending. now president obama has not been a leader on this. he's not been serious. he's been acting weak and, of course, clinging to his radical ideology. enough is enough. maybe it's time to have the republicans call the president's bluff. let him take the country over the fiscal cliff if he so chews. republicans were elected to get the fiscal house in order. maybe it's time to stand up for your kids, your grandchildren. maybe they should dig in their heels and say they are looking out for the future and future generations. maybe now is is a time to take a principle stand and say they are not goin
, we, republican are not trying to solve the fiscal cliff. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. can you explain that? >> sure can. yeah, the white house has been very focused on what do we have to do to just get past the fiscal cliff. let's get over this bump and keep spend and keep going. in the house we're actually trying to solve the debt and deficit. let me illustrate this. we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff and let's keep moving on. that doesn't sol
-class families that are already facing a real financial panic. >> warren buffett could pay off the deficit he wanted to. but it is to be that a deal will happen after january 1. does that make any difference? >> yes, it does. i think some of all this panic is a little bit overwrought. if they don't reach a deal in the next 22 hours or so, then we go into january, and the stakes get so much higher. as you said, people will start feeling immediately the effect of those higher taxes. and that will put the pressure on the congress and president reach a deal. if they don't reach a deal on december 31, which is my prediction, i believe sometime before the end of january, they will reach a deal. but my goodness. one of the things that is frustrating is we have known this day was coming for the last two years. yet here we are, 72 hours away and we don't have a resolution. gregg: this is a contrivance that they are desperately trying to fix. our member the president said in a debate, the debate, he said that i didn't come up with this. then bob woodward came out and said, yes, you did. you know, both
, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> joining us now from capitol hill. south dakota republican senator john thune, a member of the budget committee. so, senator, what do you make of the president's plan? >> i'm just glad the president is engaged. you can't do big things in washington, d.c. without presidential leadership. that's what we haven't had. the fact that he is now owe table. better late than never i would argue. at least he is at the table presenting something that wl give us a chance hopefully to get some bipartisan support in the senate and perhaps get something to the house that will avert what everybody agrees is a major economic disaster. but we're still waiting for the details and obviously there is a long ways to go and this is a very -- there is going to be a tough needle to thread in order to get this done. >> see, i don't understand why the democrats think that this is an economic disaster going off the cliff since really it's just a democratic agenda. cuts to defense and higher tax
that we will see a lot. he committed to trying to do something meaningful in the deficit. >> laura: did you you say meaningful in the deficit. wait a second. i have an audio problem. a what? >> i'm sure brad will correct me when comes up. you will see efforts on immigration reform and gun control and the biggest trade deal in the last generation. the pivot to asia and other foreign policy. >> laura: going to do all this by eg executive decision becaue last time i checkle he still had a republican house. >> stop the extraordinary fiscal cliff negotiations and go back to regular order and pass a real budget and provide an alternative. >> laura: the democrats also might take that advice to pass a budget. >> stop the games and go back to committee process and let paul ryan do his job and have the big debate. >> let's go to you brad on this. i say this to my republican friends. though are all upset he will do executive fiat and rule making. elections have consequences the old cliche quicks in and it is clear that the president s aggressive and he will use every means at his dice posal and if
house released includes this paragraph. seek a bald approach for bringing down the deficit with $3 in cuts for every one dollars in tax reform that contributes to deficit reduction. they said this is consistent with the bipartisan commission approach. yes, he did say that and, yes, we don't have that and, yes, we are approaching this deadline. >> how do you negotiate with someone who said during the campaign over and over three dollars in cuts for are one dollar in revenue and now neither side is going to get everything that they want. but the house republicans have said okay, we'll find $800 billion in revenue but give us the $2.4 trillion in it cuts and he has not been willing to do that. so the last ditch effort the hail hary pass was the house of representatives saying fine let's take nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's bill that they proposed this summer to extend the tax rates on every household and every small business a million dollars and below, allow them to go up on the million dollars and above which is the current law on january 1, let's do that. that ought to be somethin
serious about cutting the defsht and deficit? >> this is, look, this is the greatest irony of this entire discussion. and it is getting lost too much i think in the sometimes in the weeds of the back and forth negotiations. remember, the reason that we're doing this is because this grew out of the 2010 elections and debates over raising debt ceiling that following summer, 2011. the entire purpose was to reduce the size and scope of government in a way responsible to the voters of that midterm election. instead what we're almost certain to see is an expansion of government in the name of reintroducing it. we're likely to see much bigger government long term. we're not likely to deal with entitlement reforms as we need to do. as you suggest the president is pushing some short-term spending increases often in washington turn into long-term spending increases. gregg: but, steve, bill kristol, conservative, you know what, time to throw in the towel. you do not want to get blamed for raising taxes on 98% of americans. >> right. gregg: right? >> look, bill kristol is my boss and editor at "the w
program run a billion deficit in 2012 . as the program brought in over 725 billion in cash and spent more than it earned it is costing 773 billion. >> julia: and you are surprised. benefits reached over 8 million and 820,000 in increase in november . so something shady is going on here. >> you used the word shady . i think that is a pretty good word to use. definition of who is disabled is expanded over the yearrs and recently, as you have a massive rise in unemployment and work force clinking and clearly some people are taking the disability option as opposed to staying in the work force. you can call it shady or financially unfortunate but it is happening. we never had as many people on disability ever before. >> clayton: republicans have a look at entitlement programs and we are trying to reign in the excessive spending. >> there are no serious cuts from president obama. there is serious effort at reforming. medicare and medicare. a lot of people don't say social security is enment. it is an insurance program. but it is enormous amount of money flowing out than in and it is getting wor
, if we want to make a dent in the deficit. i mean this is the choice that is going to be in front of us. if, we have to do four things if we want to reduce the deficit. we have to get more revenue, we have to cut domestic spending, we have to trim and reform the health care programs in particular of medicare and medicaid and we have to cut defense. if we do all four of those things we can make significant down payment getting deficit under control. if we do some of them, the numbers are not there enough to make as much progress as we want. this is where mark and i agree. over next six to nine months we could see substantial progress towards smart fiscal policy in the country if the two parties come together. heather: we'll see what happens. thank you both very much for joining us until monday night. thank you. >> merry christmas. happy new year. [heavy breathing]. gregg: boy, remember that, video from april of 2011. monster tornado tearing through tuscaloosa, alabama, devastating the community and alberta baptist church. ever since then the church's pastor has been fighting insurers and
of the bowles mpson deficit commission and voted for the final report. that proposed almost $3 trillion in spending cuts. president obama's last offer the one that the republicans rejected was less than $1 trillion in spending cuts. we checked. that would be less than 2% of the $44 trillion the government will spend over the next decade. again, is that the best democrats can do? 2% of all of the spending over the next decade? >> you know, this conversation to me is exactly what is wrong in washington. i mean just listen to the conversation you have is just had. it is he said, she said, blame the other guy. look, i tried to be constructive here and lay out an actual plan to get us nearly $4 trillion by taking the offers that are on the table. speaker boehner and the president were so close and then speaker boehner went off on plan b. i never understood why. had no prospect of succeeding. it did not succeed even in his own caucus. now, the question. >> chris: but you are not answering my question. >> because i tell you something because we only have nine days left here. when are we going
question, if i may, what kind of deficit reduction would this tax be able to provide for the people of france, if you incur 75% tax because you just happen to be a multi-millionaire? >> the thing about france is we're not the united states. we don't have that many multi-millionaires. it was actually really only going to affect 1500 people across the country. so it wasn't going to be very much. it was probably, if you're lucky, at best, $1 million. >> kelly: katherine field, thank you so much for joining us via phone and telling us about the deal in france. thank you. >> heather: back at home, hundreds of firefighters from across the u.s. and canada heading to western new york for second day for the wake and funeral services for these two fallen heros. the two volunteer firefighters were killed in a christmas eve ambush when they responded to a house fire and they were gunned down by 62-year-old william spangler. police also arresting 24-year-old dawn nguyen for illegally purchasing the gun that spangler used in that rampage. now the community of webster is stepping up to make sure t
and spends too much. >> president clinton. this is it the largest deficit reduction in history. >> president bush. >> american families have to balance their budgets and so should the government. >> and president. >> ever day families sacrifice to live in their means and they deserve a government to do the same. >> boehner insists that the president is singing a different tune. >> it is clear that the president is not serious about cutting speppeding, but speppeding is the problem. >> you can hear the talking heads every day and back and forth every day. but have you tried to get your head around how much the government doles out every day. what is the basic math we have the problem. >> in the month of november. the government brought in five billion worth of revenue . we spend more than 11 billion a day. the difference as you can clearly see is roughly six billion dollars. so how can we keep speppeding more than we take in? the econist said we can't. the government spends more than 11 billion a day. where does thity of the money g. top four outlays. department of health and human services t
on growth and deficit reduction. >> that means taxes go up for some now and spending cut on medicare and other programs are kicked to another date. >> what the president offered so far won't do anything to solve the spending problem and begin to address the crippling debt. >> gallup in early december saying 58% of the public thought we'd avert the fiscal cliff. new poll shows it's dipped to 50% thinking that. the public thinks we are headed for a big problem. >> doug: breaking news from treasury secretary geithner it go about the debt ceiling. are we about to go to default? >> yes and no. secretary gite it go says today that we will hit debt ceiling on december 31, new year's eve. it only buys a couple of months. it proves even if we get through the fiscal cliff situation we are headed for a major showdown next year. >> doug: ed henry traveling with the president in honolulu. what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff? molly henneberg explains it means more money of the of your wallet. >> taxes are going up on everyone immediately. if washington can't come to a deal on the fiscal cl
and do spending cuts and deficit reduction in the new year. he is telling lawmakers take a few days off. relax over the holidays and maybe we'll all come together. take a listen. >> sing some christmas carols, enjoy the company of loved ones. and then i would ask every member of congress while they are back home to think about that think about the obligations we have to the people who sent us here. think about the hardship that so many americans will endure if congress does nothing at all. >> now, i can hear the helicopters warming up there on the other side of the white house from where i am on the south lawn. the president will be heading to andrew's air force base in a moment. is he going to hawaii tonight. on his way out the door told us "see you next week." which means he will be coming back after christmas before new years to try to work this out with lawmakers. he also suggested maybe they have eggnog over the holiday. maybe he thinks that will grease the skids. >> harris: eat cookies and sing carols for the rest of us across the country. you get the accepts he is trying to calm
cut the deficit budget. the court took issue with not with the tax, but taxing household equally. and for the latest headlines log onto foxnews.com. you're watching the most powerful name in news, fox news channel. >> paul: welcome back to this special he edition, journal he had t.editorial report. and this year continued high unemployment and slow economic growth. what can we expect in 2013? we're back with dan henninger, mary anastasia o'grady and dan moore. mary explain the slow growth and the markets. >> if respect to the markets, i would say if you look at a chart for, for example, the s&p 500, you go back to april of 2011 to october of 2012. you're basically flat. there's a lot of churning up and down, but in the last months a pickup there and certainly, from the end of -- from the beginning of this year we saw a run on the market, but you don't have a great return if you're a long-term investor. >> paul: right, so, okay, if growth is still slow, okay, why are-- and some people are still investing in companies and the corporate balance sheets earnings have been pretty good,
or deficit. to destroy the republicans in the house. create a civil war. that is what he did. he would not compromise on tax rate. he himself said a year ago. but he insisted on the rates knowing it would cause the kind of civil war in the house. the objective now of fracturing the one element in washington this could stop the agenda in the second term succeeded. he put out the patch plan to raise rates on those earning $250,000 and extend unemployment. if that is the bottom line he will propose it. the republicans decide he wins either way. he passed it in the house or he will blame going over the fiscal cliff on the republicans if they resist. completely in the driver's seat and he will l decide what is on the table at december 31 at 11:00 at night. >> let's look at the national debt clock. we surpassed the $16 trillion mark. $16.4 trillion. interest on the debt is huge. thereon what bayh boy said recently. >> servicing the debt hard now. this is interest rates at record lows. god forbid something should happen to cause interest rates go up a littlement we have seen nothing yet. inte
he can pass the obama tax cut and say look, i'm bringing in revenue. i lowered the deficit. pass his tax cut. a win and he can blame the g.o.p. i would argue i don't think the g.o.p. had the ball on this fight. i don't think they gave it up. i don't think they had it. it's very tough for them to win against the white house like this. and a white house press corps that is not going to report anything negative against the president. >> eric: the ball is a debt ceiling. remember, all the negotiations, tell you, i'll get to greg, they have to go through the house. money negotiations go through the house. if the house says no on raising debt ceiling they can create havoc. go ahead. >> greg: i don't care anymore. >> kimberly: okay. you did last week? >> greg: as a human being in this discussion, i have already lost. both options going over the fiscal cliff and not going over the fiscal cliff are losers. that leads to a big lie. when this was made it was supposed to be bad for both sides. remember, high taxes and democrat sweet 16 party. they love that stuff saming that to dems is saying i
and deficit reduction. that is an achievable goal. >> today's meeting is the first with the president since november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package that guarantees if they get a short-term deal here, we have major budget battles coming. >> the key to any good negotiation each side has to give up something. near and dear to their heart. what is it, as succinctly as you imagine, both sides have given up? >> both sides say the president started on threshold of tax cut of $250,000. negotiations with boehner he moved to $400,000. not if you have for boehner. he wanted
cuts and deal with the deficit. but you can't do it in such a way that you do it in a sudden flash -- >> sudden flash! >> and it causes the economy to crater. >> it's been four years and so many meetings. >> excuse me, do you think republicans have no complicity in passing two wars without funding it. >> democrats voted for the war in iraq, including hillary clinton, if you want to go there. >> republicans voted for this. my point -- >> entitlements. you said hayare not miles apart. >> they're not! >> what's the plan on entitlements. >> the president has put on the table, the chain cpi to slow the rate of growth -- >> slow the rate of growth is not a cut, juan! >> it is a cut! >> even john boehner says that's a cut. the left thinks that's a cut -- >> no plan. there are no plans. >> let's go up to $400, if you want. so what we're talking about, eric, is a cut for 99% of americans. they keep the bush tax cuts. you would think republicans would be seb berating. >> juan's drinking the kool-aid, man. >> i agree that the republicans are no better in this -- >> oh! let me take your commen
has to be matched with real action, spending cuts and other ways to reduce the deficit, that is exactly the fight we are fashion. he doesn't want to have that. republicans are dying to get into that. >> reporter: do you think the president for political reasons wants to go over the cliff? barrasso said so. look, there are a bunch of others who think so. >> there are certainly some on the left who also, just like conservatives, there are some on the left that do. i don't think the president does. part of the reason, just like i don't believe john boehner actually does the house speaker. there is this group in the middle, first of all they are not sure where the political blame would lie. it could end up on them and they want want to have that happen. second of all these are deal mayors. they came to washington to get deals done. and they see the result, the goal as a deal to get past this rather than looking at the numbers. the folks on each side eve are looking at the numbers and they say the deficit would be in better shape and the economy in the long run is in better
the road. you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly. this is the fifth year in a row, we're going to have $20 trillion worth of debt on top of $48 trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten years. we promised the nation in 2011 under the budget deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time. for mr. obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept thes
the click is a win for him. he can say i am bringing in revenue, i am lowering the deficit. and he can still blame the gop when their tacks go up. i don't think the grass pollen had the ball in this fight. i don't think they gave it up, i don't think they ever had it. it's tough for them to win against a white house like this and a white house press core that's not going to report anything negative against the president. >> there's a ball and the ball is the debt ceiling. all these things, i will get to craig, but have to go through the house. the money negotiations have to go through the house. if the house says no on raising the debt ceiling, they can create a lot of havoc. go ahead, greg. >> you know what? i don't care anymore. >> oh, okay. >> because as a human being in this discussion i've already lost, both options going over the fiscal cliff and not going over the fiscal cliff in my opinion are losers and that leads to the big lie. when the fiscal cliff preposition was made it was supposed to be bad for both sides. but remember high taxes and defense cuts, that's a democrat's sweet 16
family would pay 2,000 to $4,000 more in taxes next year. but, if you're a deficit hawk, you might be happy with this news. the congressional budget office estimates that with all of these new tax revenues, plus those mandatory spending cuts kicking in january 1st, that would all cut the deficit in half next year to about $600 billion. kelly? kelly: we would go through this for about half a year. then there's a talk among some people, that we would actually rebound at the end of six months or so. but that is a lot of pain to go through. is there any idea of what could happen to the economy or stock market as a result of congressional inactivity? >> well, yeah. the cb. off and many private economists say that the $600 billion in fiscal tighting, as you say would push the economy into recession next year and send the unemmoment rate to back above 9%. a survey of investment managers found 60% of the them see a drop in the dow industrials of 10% or more if the cliff is not avoided. kelly? kelly: boy, that is very ominous. peter, thank you. hopefully something can be done. peter barnes.
that he is very interested in deficit reduction and very interested in serious spending cuts. none of whichever materialize. but the class warfare rhetoric is always still there. he is always interested in raising taxes to feed his ever-growing and every ravenous beast of the government. here we are again. when i talk about this is no way to run a superpower, what i mean by that, every single time we get to the press miss and every single time our leaders wait until the exact last minute, i mean one thing to wait for it the last minute to buy christmas gifts for tomorrow. i see plenty of people running around new york city trying to buy gifts. another thing for the president and congress to wait until the last minute on fiscal issues that affect every american, gregg and our long-term fiscal health. gregg: are you saying the president is disingenuous and duplicitous which would be novel in politics? >> and certainly in washington, d.c.. all we have to go on is the president's pattern of behavior. over the last four years it has been the same drill every single time. the republicans
a little bit more in taxes to help reduce the deficit. it was rejected by his own party, and so then he sent his members home on vacation. i'm over on the senate side right now, they are in session. speaker boehner let the house members go, so first he walked out of the talks with the president, and then he sent everybody home on vacation. obviously we need to have compromise. the senate bill that passed out of the senate many, many weeks ago had compromise. it was passed by republicans and democrats. all we're asking is that speaker boehner hold a vote on that bill. i don't know why he's afraid to even hoet a vote. hold a vote. that is allowing the process to work, allow democrats and republicans in the house to dash. gregg: he said they already voted on a plan to extend all the tax cuts. >> but they had a vote in the senate on that plan and they voted it down, and then on a bipartisan basis they passed another bill. gregg: 0 out of time. thanks for taking a few moments to be with us. it's good to be with you. chris van hollen. patti ann: former president george h.w. bush remains in in
. the tax would have made the rich contribute a whole lot more to cutting public deficit. >> arthel: here at home as senator leaders work behind closed doors to cut an 11th hour deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, we got a glimpse of optimism on the senate floor on friday from majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell following their white house meeting with president obama. here it is. >> everyone knows we've been to the white house. we've had a constructive meeting. we certainly hope that something will positive will come from that. >> i share the view of the majority leader. we had a good meeting at the white house. we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> arthel: so is a fiscal deal more likely now than it was before congress left for christmas break? let's have a meeting of the minds. outreach director for freedom works, author of "backlash" and fox news cont
for the holidays. the president's aides tell us in private he scaled back from a $4 trillion deficit deal. he wants something smaller in the wake of speaker john boehner's failure on so-called plan b last week. they just want something that will extend middle class tax cuts. they want to see two million people get unemployment benefits extended. those are running out at end of the year by the way the president, you remember, came out on friday after speaker boehner talked about the failure of the vote thursday night and president basically said everyone should calm down, cool off over the holidays. take a listen. >> everybody can cool off. everybody can drink some eggnog, have some christmas cookies, sing some christmas carols, enjoy the company of loved ones and then i would ask every member of congress while they're back home to think about that. think about the obligations we have to the people who sent us here. >> reporter: so, sing some carols today. probably will be some eggnog. here in hawaii, maybe back in ohio where john boehner is likely celebrating the holidays as well but they have got
to the debt and deficit. what impact does that have? >> i think that have essentially no impact. the u.s. has been growing since june of 2009. this is not a case where the government needs to step in and stop a free fall. the problem is we're growing too slowly. we are growing at rates that are 1, 1.5, 2%, and we should be growing at rates of 3 and 4%. to do that we need permanent fixes. fixes to entitlement programs, tax reform, that's the recipe for more rapid growth. it's also the same recipe for fixing the debt. gregg: how about 7 and 8% growth which is what happened this ronald reagan reduced the tabgts rates. the tax rates. >> that would be phenomenal. we haven't seen that since the 1980s. it will take a very big pla change in the playbook in washington for that to happen h. gregg: thank you very much. >> thank you. gregg: what will it cost you if washington can't make a deal before next week, something that is looking more and more likely? you can find out all you need to know on our website foxnews.com/politics. patti ann: new details now on a technological brea breakthrough that has
i've been working with leaders of both parties on a proposal to get our deficit under control. avoid tax hikes on the middle class, and to make sure we can spur jobs and economic growth. >> how we get there, god only knows. >> will an agreement bring positive change to the economy? former economic advisor to president reagan, art laffer is here. >> how is everything going? >> going we will on this end. not washington but on this end. there's recap for a second, if you will. the laffer curve that you game famous for. that's your theory on tax rates and revenue and it shows, the laffer curve, if you have a tax rate of zero obviously you correct zero revenue to run the government. if you have a tax rate, your theory holds of 100%, you also probably collect zero in revenue because you've disincentivized people to get to work. somewhere in your curve is the sweet spot of the tax rate that would allow for the most revenue. what is that sweet spot? >> i don't know where it is exactly, obviously. but i know the laffer curve, the operation in the upper income groups is much more sensitive to
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